An Official *English* Version of 2k3 Approaches!

[Archem]

Minecraft isn't that complex in its design, though, so I'll call that a lop-sided comparison.

Off-point. Right. Nothankyou.jpg

[ellie-is]

Eh, you guys are a pretty downer bunch.

I'd consider it. Enterbrain might not be the coolest of companies and this might be really old software, but, I don't know about you guys, but I have my personal reason to be thankful for it, and wouldn't mind tossing some money their way (as long as it's "some money" and not "a lot of money").
Though the same can probably be said for Don Miguel or whoever it was that translated 2000 - I'd never have gotten into all of this if not for them.

[Ben]

I said I would pay for it if it was beefed up. I pretty much concurr whole heartedly with Sai on this one.

Use the same maker...give it some 3-D. Even if its just cubes and 2d sprites. Perhaps some Multiplayer. Or  XML, Java, SMF, support. At the very least, they could get rid of some of the restrictions.

[ellie-is]

I certainly wouldn't mind letting go of the 256 color limit. This isn't the 90s anymore, I don't see why we need that.
Heck, it wasn't the 90s anymore when they released it.

[Archem]

Eh, you guys are a pretty downer bunch.

I'd consider it. Enterbrain might not be the coolest of companies and this might be really old software, but, I don't know about you guys, but I have my personal reason to be thankful for it, and wouldn't mind tossing some money their way (as long as it's "some money" and not "a lot of money").
Though the same can probably be said for Don Miguel or whoever it was that translated 2000 - I'd never have gotten into all of this if not for them.

Boggling my mind over here. I'm pretty sure damn-near everything you've ever used was pirated.

[Liberty]

Most likely it wouldn't be a lot of money. Also, EB! wasn't in charge of the publishing - protexis was. Protexis used to handle the English Publishing of RM products, EB has no control over that, but they ended up not getting along well together. It's since been handed over to Degica who are more in touch with the community.
Why are they doing this now? Because now is when someone actually got up off their arses and asked. Namely me. I was talking to some pals in a chatroom about how nice it would be to have a legal license for the older versions when one of the reps for Degica said they'd ask their boss about it. We didn't expect anything to come from it, just figured it'd be worth a shot. Then we got a positive reply and I figured that if we could make this happen it'd be awesome. A legal 2k3? Sweet!

[Ben]

I wouldnt be so optimistic about the pricing. Did you happen to catch how over priced the last 2 creation toolsets EB developed were? Not to mention their customer support for north america is lacking. I purchased AGM from them, only to have it not have the english patch work. They told me they would give me a copy of the official english release, and refund my money if I went through the purchase process a second time after the English release. I did. They didnt refund anything. The second time trying the software, it would not run on my x64 system. So I paid twice for a 2 copys of AGM that are of no use to me. And the toolset was WAAAY over priced for the value you got, even with a working copy.

But I should probably sign it anyways, so that I can pirate the hell out of it. Because screw those guys.

EB has never been awesome to its north american fan base.
Unity, GameSalad, Game maker 8, Stencyl Pro, Tourque are all something more deserving of my dollars that enterbrain.

I am thankfull the Don Miguel exists. In my eyes, that guy is the reason I got into making games. Not because of somebody at enterbrain.

[The Last Draconian]

Well, my opinion probably doesn't matter much because I'm new here, but I like the idea of making it finally legal.  I don't like using pirated software if there's a way to use a legal version.  I use RM2k3 because I love it.  I didn't really like RMXP, and VX didn't look much more promising to me (you might like it, but I didn't).  This petition's got my signature.

[Archeia]

I wouldnt be so optimistic about the pricing. Did you happen to catch how over priced the last 2 creation toolsets EB developed were? Not to mention their customer support for north america is lacking. I purchased AGM from them, only to have it not have the english patch work. They told me they would give me a copy of the official english release, and refund my money if I went through the purchase process a second time after the English release. I did. They didnt refund anything. The second time trying the software, it would not run on my x64 system. So I paid twice for a 2 copys of AGM that are of no use to me. And the toolset was WAAAY over priced for the value you got, even with a working copy.

But I should probably sign it anyways, so that I can pirate the hell out of it. Because screw those guys.

EB has never been awesome to its north american fan base.

I just had to get out of lurking and post here. Protexis and ENTERBRAIN AND DEGICA ARE NOT THE SAME. Protexis was the one handling AGM BEFORE the one you're saying with shitty customer support. Enterbrain can only speak Japanese that's why they needed publishers like Protexis (NA) or Degica (which is actually an English publishing company based on TOKYO).

Degica is the NEW publisher for RPGMaker AND 3 out of 4 of their staff are RM fans. If you even pay attention to how the Official English Community's Staff and Support even work, they're active and even make tutorials and free resources for the fans. And even go as far as trying to make the other maker's RTP available for any maker use without buying the maker itself.


So much for not being awesome to the fanbase.

[Ben]

That does not change anything though. I am aware that they are not all the same company. The fact still remains that Enterbrain contracts lackluster Companies to Publish and distribute over seas. How the hell would this case end up any different.


Ill bet you a paid copy of this 2k3 legal edition that the price tag on this ends up being in the neigborhood of 100$ and up, USD. Especially since its "collectors edition". Thats going to add another fifty to the price, regardless of the distribution.

And 3/4 of these people being RM fans is a moot point. Im a fan of my own products too. I fail to see how this is going to make my attempt at writing my life story and publishing it in japanese any more sucessfull.


Enterbrain also offers free resources for their fans. They have really good generators. TUtorials too. Documentation. Im not sure what kind of sparkles Degica is blowing up your butt, but I've seen this sort of thing a million times before. The result, is the EB equivalent to Square Enix and CHocobo racing. A convoluted attempt to rehash some commercial sucess at a time when other developers are all ready offering Independant and free creation suites with ten times the power and half the headache.

[Archeia]

Wait what are you saying?

And 3/4 of these people being RM fans is a moot point. Im a fan of my own products too. I fail to see how this is going to make my attempt at writing my life story and publishing it in japanese any more sucessfull.

By this I meant they actually meant that they went to the English FAN RM communities and pick their staff there and then made them handle the official english forums so they can listen to the fans. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

I'm willing to bet to you that rm2k3 won't even exceed 20$

This suggestion was thrown into the table and so we have to ask, if we were to release RPG Maker 2003 in English would you buy it?
Vote and post your suggestions here~

Just a note, take the EULA into consideration. This means you guys shouldn't use patches/plug-ins/external programs if you want to use RPG Maker. Not sure about the RPG_RT.exe though since I know it's not illegal to change the icon *hint hint, wink wink*

I also wanted to add that this was actually requested by a fan and her reasoning was she wants to own a legal copy of her childhood program, which we think isn't a bad idea if it's for the sake of Nostalgia and just a collector's item.

After talking to my boss, its estimated price value is $20.

EDIT: Wow I just posted the topic and there's already a petition, over here http://www.change.or...m2k3-in-english

CONFIRMED. It's only $20. How about that?

Enterbrain also offers free resources for their fans. They have really good generators. TUtorials too. Documentation. Im not sure what kind of sparkles Degica is blowing up your butt, but I've seen this sort of thing a million times before. The result, is the EB equivalent to Square Enix and CHocobo racing. A convoluted attempt to rehash some commercial sucess at a time when other developers are all ready offering Independant and free creation suites with ten times the power and half the headache.

Only if you own the LEGAL JP KEY.  Tutorials and Documentation are only in Japanese unless you're referring to the helpfile which is something different. The tutorials and documentation in the Official English site is different. WHEN PROTEXIS WAS HANDLING RM, they didn't include any of these. And the only time they even bothered to release something free was Knight_Blade for RMXP and that was that. You don't get to see any free packs that Enterbrain release to the JP in EN.

[SaiKar]

CONFIRMED. It's only $20. How about that?

How about no? What am I paying for here, exactly? Nostalgia? A guilt-free conscious? Gratitude?

Eh. I sleep like a baby with my pirated version. Especially since I haven't opened 2k3 to do serious work in years now. Even XP seems stupidly clunky compared to modern technology.

If they release a new product, a quality product, in English, in a timely manner, that seems like it could be fun to use and I don't hear a bunch of bad reviews about, then yeah, I'll consider buying it and firing it up. As is, 20 cents is asking for too much for something that I've owned for a decade, much less 20 dollars.

[Archeia]

That was a reply to Ben's RM2k3 is going to be 50-100 USD. Read the conversation. And as the OPENING says, this was actually requested by an rm2k3 fan and they're just asking if they still want it and then they'll publish it to english for legality issues. THAT WAS IT.

Also XP? XP is outdated as hell. There's VXAce now which is the most well accepted RM right now.

[Liberty]

If all you're looking at are reviews and not trying it out yourself - which you can since there are free trial versions - then how would you know for yourself that they aren't worth using? The new makers are pretty good, yeah, though there are a few issues with the, as with all the makers. That said, I for one would welcome a legal version of 2K3, not only for nostalgia value but for the joy of having done the right thing by a program I loved. They might even fix the bugs which would be nice.
And it shows EB that we appreciate their games, since, you know, that's what they are.

[Ben]

so 20$ gets me pretty much a fraction of what I would get with a pirated version, and all the new fancy RM mods out there.

20$ means an official translation, that you have to pay for. the fact that you would petition for something like this for the right to PAY for something that should have been delivered to you ten years ago,  means you are not the sort of person that is going to see actual logic. I am a RM fan, but you obviously are in it for other reasons.

I think its stupid. And I wouldnt give a penny for it. Im not sure why you think my mind will be changed. RM 2k3 was okay. If they wanted to get my loyalty, they'd release 2k3 for free. Im not sure why they dont...it would bring more attention to their other over priced products.


Anyways, when they decide NOT to do this because its not economically feasible...Im going to necro post a BWAHAHAHA in this topic.