An Official *English* Version of 2k3 Approaches!

[Meiscool]

There is no point to this. The general forum opinion is pretty apparent.

[Liberty]

Glad to see douchiness is still alive in RM land. As for having other reasons? None. Wanna see the chatlogs?

The chatlogs, if anyone was interested. Note that for legal reasons I had to cut some things out. I've also changed all names but my own, just in case.

***Star*** was the 'representative'
I'm Libby and the rest are mysterious~

[17:56] <007> for someone to want to make your whole soundtrack for you
 01[17:57] <Libby> it can cost a lot of money
 01[17:57] <Libby> ...thank god for enterbrain and the RTP music, eh?
 01[17:57] <Libby> XD
[17:57] <boyo~> depends whatcha intentions are for your project I guess
 01[17:58] <Libby> well, that too
[17:58] <007> Yeah like XXXXXX isn't a anything really
[17:58] <007> so I just used newgrounds music
 01[17:58] <Libby> if there's a possibility of selling it or even asking doenation, then... yeah
 01[17:58] <Libby> you need music that won't get you into trouble
[17:58] <boyo~> for me making a custom project was like.. the whole point of making a custom project
[17:59] <boyo~> but
[17:59] <boyo~> it's 2k3
[17:59] <boyo~> so
[17:59] <boyo~> it's still not legit
 01[17:59] <Libby> yeah
 01[17:59] <Libby> wonder if you could purchase a 2k3 license
[17:59] <boyo~> I don't think you can :<
[17:59] <boyo~> even if you did, it's a breach of the EULA to use plugins and stuf
 01[17:59] <Libby> there's a japanese veriosn you can buy
[18:00] <boyo~> you'd have to use the JP version to be
[18:00] <boyo~> in the clear
[18:00] <boyo~> I think
 01[18:00] <Libby> maybe since it's an old product you could convince them to sell you a 'this person payed and may use as they like" thing
[18:00] <boyo~> that would be nice
 01[18:00] <Libby> even if you've got an edited english version
[18:00] <boyo~> but it might be counterproductive to them
 01[18:00] <Libby> I mean, it's not like they're making money on the product anymore
[18:01] <boyo~> legitmizing piracy, even at a fee, isn't gonna help sales of their flagship products :<
 01[18:01] <Libby> so a coverall licence would probably rake in a bit more moeny
 01[18:01] <Libby> well, but for their older software
 01[18:01] <Libby> it's not like most people don't have a cracked version of the new stuff anyway
 01[18:02] <Libby> I mean, how many people who use VX and VXA have the licenses?
 01[18:02] <Libby> Not as many people as are making games on them
[18:02] <boyo~> sure
[18:02] <boyo~> but it's not like
 01[18:02] <Libby> it's not like they'd be condoning piracy
 01[18:02] <Libby> since it's already occuring
[18:02] <boyo~> I don't think they plan to accomodate piracy D:
 01[18:03] <Libby> giving peopel the chance to pay for the older prodcts would help though
 01[18:03] <Libby> since then they'd be at least a bit more legal
[18:03] <boyo~> it would probably be cool
[18:03] <boyo~> but I don't think a company would do it
 01[18:03] <Libby> you can't tell me that if they offered you wouldn't take it up
[18:03] <boyo~> I'd only be interested if it let you do whatever you like with it
 01[18:04] <Libby> if they said - here, pay us 30 and we'll let you used RM2k3 like it was ace...
 01[18:04] <Libby> well yeah
 01[18:04] <Libby> a cover-all licence
[18:04] <boyo~> including things that would break the eula for ace or vx
[18:04] <boyo~> if it were that
[18:04] <boyo~> like using that tileswap thing
[18:04] <boyo~> is a breach of vx's eula
 01[18:04] <Libby> that way they could make some money back from all the sales they missed out on with the program
[18:05] <@***Star***> they still get sales for 2k3 and 2000 Value in Japan
 01[18:06] <Libby> well, a coverall license would acknowledge that yes, we know you had to go to extremes to get it in english, yes, we know you've probably messed with the actual program itself to do so, but here, we don't mind as much since it's an old program
[18:06] <@***Star***> they just never supported it for ENG
 01[18:06] <Libby> we'll forgive you since we didn't make it available to you all at the start, but hey, you still need to buy a license
[18:06] <boyo~> I just reckon that it would be a bad move for them, people who might have bought ace would just buy 2k3 licenses
[18:06] <@***Star***> you can still buy 2k/2k3 legally <:3c
[18:07] <@***Star***> but it's going to be japanese
 01[18:07] <Libby> that's why I figured a cover all licence would be nice
[18:07] <@***Star***> tbh I don't think eb! lost a lot of sales at all
[18:07] <@***Star***> since
 01[18:07] <Libby> like: yeah, you got a copy that is translated to englush
[18:07] <@***Star***> people still buy IGM
[18:08] <007> Not many in the english communiuty bought that
[18:08] <@***Star***> yeah
 01[18:08] <Libby> we understand that you had to cheat to do so, here, pay us and we'll fogive you
[18:08] <@***Star***> actually no
 01[18:08] <Libby> XD
[18:08] <@***Star***> 007
[18:08] <@***Star***> I'm referring to the english sales
[18:08] <@***Star***> I saw the graph :X
[18:08] <@***Star***> and was surprised
[18:08] <@***Star***> cover all license sounds a bit...iffy that means all RTP is available for you from rm95-RMVXace
[18:08] <boyo~> there's always a catch with everything
[18:09] <@***Star***> and they have this habit of reusing the RTP from a maker
 01[18:09] <Libby> No
 01[18:09] <Libby> I mean, cover for each maker
 01[18:09] <Libby> so one for 2k3, one for 2k
[18:09] <boyo~> like construct classic is more powerful (for non rpgs) than rm, igm, and maybe GM too... Plus you can use it for free commercially.. but you need an outdated direct x 9 distributable to run the games :<
 01[18:09] <Libby> like, coverall in the term of they don't mind that it was translated to english or that you use cherry's edits
 01[18:10] <Libby> for that one program
[18:10] <@***Star***> that's against the EULA
[18:10] <@***Star***> if they're going to do that
[18:10] <@***Star***> might as well make rm2k/2k3
[18:10] <@***Star***> open source code
 01[18:10] <Libby> I know, but it would be nice for the older programs
[18:10] <@***Star***> which could hurt them
 01[18:10] <Libby> or even just for the english version
[18:11] <@***Star***> with that you're going to put potential future sales into trobule
[18:11] <@***Star***> since if it's open source code
[18:11] <@***Star***>  al ot of people can copy the code and improvise it
 01[18:11] <Libby> okay, so here's an english version. You're covered only if it's a translated version with no add ons
[18:11] <@***Star***> and make their own engines out of it
[18:11] <@***Star***> libby with that you're pretty much saying go ahead and hack our program
 01[18:11] <Libby> even that would be awesome
 01[18:11] <Libby> no, just translate it
[18:11] <@***Star***> it's still hacking
[18:11] <@***Star***> the program
 01[18:11] <Libby> if people want to hack it, nothing will stop them anyway
[18:12] <@***Star***> yeah but at least you can sue them
 01[18:12] <Libby> but being covered for an english translation would be nice
 01[18:12] <Libby> just a translation
[18:12] <@***Star***> it's still iffy
 01[18:12] <Libby> that said, they could just make their own patch
 01[18:12] <Libby> and sell it
[18:12] <@***Star***> I'm seeing it from an abusers standpoint
 01[18:12] <Libby> abusers will abuse anyway
[18:12] <@***Star***> yes but at least you can still throw the law against them
 01[18:12] <Libby> and allowing just a translation cuts everything else off
[18:13] <@***Star***> allowing just a translation means showing off the code
[18:13] <@***Star***> which is terrible
 01[18:13] <Libby> no edits
[18:13] <@***Star***> it's still going to happen
[18:13] <@***Star***> to translate
[18:13] <@***Star***> you have to make sure the font fits
[18:13] <@***Star***> etc.
 01[18:13] <Libby> or, again, they could release their own patch for it
 06[18:13] * @***Star*** translated programs before
 01[18:13] <Libby> and sell it
[18:13] <@***Star***> 2k3 is outdated though
 01[18:13] <Libby> people would buy both the Japanses version and the patch
[18:13] <@***Star***> it doesn't work on some win7/vsita programs
 01[18:13] <Libby> but it's still very widely used
 01[18:14] <Libby> works fine on mine
 01[18:14] <Libby> >.>
 01[18:14] <Libby> <.<
[18:14] <@***Star***> yes but not everyone
[18:14] <@***Star***> I know YF doesn't
 01[18:14] <Libby> most
[18:14] <@***Star***> Diamond couldn't
[18:14] <@***Star***> I can't play rm2k games :I
 01[18:14] <Libby> and wouldn't it be better to have it paid for?
 01[18:14] <Libby> to at least have the option?
[18:15] <@***Star***> if it was "in public demand"
 01[18:15] <Libby> otherwise people can only use it via piracy
[18:15] <@***Star***> degica might consider it
 01[18:15] <Libby> when they would have been happy to pay for it
[18:15] <@***Star***> the problem is mostly money
 01[18:15] <Libby> it's like being forced to pirate because it isn't there to buy
[18:15] <007> Well it'd be nice in the sense of
[18:15] <007> a lot of cool RM2k/3 games are out there
 01[18:15] <Libby> it's being forced to have been hacked, too
[18:15] <@***Star***> it is there to buy
[18:15] <@***Star***> just in JP
 01[18:15] <Libby> in englosh
[18:15] <007> and it would be nice to put it out there in the RM forums
[18:15] <@***Star***> and Eb said it before
[18:15] <@***Star***> I even saw the page
[18:15] <@***Star***> please don't pirate 2k3
 01[18:16] <Libby> star
[18:16] <@***Star***> we will translate it into english
[18:16] <007> and not be like "IT WAS ILLEGUL, YOU CAN'T POST KEWL GAMES HERE"
[18:16] <@***Star***> but the eng audience didn't listen
[18:16] <@***Star***> so eb ditched the idea
 01[18:16] <Libby> when?
[18:16] <@***Star***> it was looong ago
[18:16] <@***Star***> :V
[18:16] <@***Star***> I will find the page again
 01[18:16] <Libby> I don't recall such a thing
[18:16] <@***Star***> once my net stops bitching
[18:16] <@***Star***> but it did exist
[18:16] <@***Star***> it was on their old site
[18:16] <007> No one even heard of it
[18:16] <@***Star***> it was when 2k3 was newly released
 01[18:16] <Libby> if it had been put up among the RM sites it probably would ahve been a great thing
 01[18:17] <Libby> people would have listened
[18:17] <@***Star***> it shows how much the eng audience back then paid attention to the official publisher
[18:17] <@***Star***> hey EB said it themselves they're going to translate it into english
[18:17] <@***Star***> (didn't bother to check the main site)
 01[18:17] <Libby> Because back then they only focussed on the Japanese side of things
[18:17] <@***Star***> (translated it by themselves)
 01[18:18] <Libby> I didn't even knoe they had an Englush site until last year when Ace was released
[18:18] <@***Star***> it was protexis before
 01[18:18] <Libby> and I've been in the RM internet community since 98
[18:18] <@***Star***> degica is the new publisher
[18:18] <@***Star***> they started ENGing
[18:18] <@***Star***> RMXP days
[18:18] <boyo~> I think somebody showed me that page you know.
[18:18] <@***Star***> boyo~ the 2k3 into english one?
[18:18] <boyo~> the page where it talks about english 2k3
[18:19] <@***Star***> I remember it was posted in rmn
[18:19] <boyo~> yep
[18:19] <@***Star***> yeah
 01[18:19] <Libby> I don't remember it
[18:19] <@***Star***> yeeep
 01[18:19] <Libby> >.<;
[18:19] <@***Star***> 8'D
[18:19] <boyo~> just ***Star*** said
 01[18:19] <Libby> I'd have been all over that if I had
[18:19] <boyo~> nobody took any notice of it
[18:19] <boyo~> I only saw it last year
[18:19] <@***Star***> exactly
[18:19] <boyo~> not back in the day
[18:19] <@***Star***> it shows how much the eng audience cares for getting it legally
 01[18:20] <Libby> most of the ENG community didn't know about it
 01[18:20] <Libby> you know, seeing as the site was only in english... during XP?
[18:20] <@***Star***> yeah
[18:20] <@***Star***> that's after the 2k3 drama fest
[18:20] <@***Star***> they just decided to publish xs themselves
 01[18:20] <Libby> well, how were they supposed to know?
[18:20] <@***Star***> THEN
[18:20] <@***Star***> postality knights came in
 01[18:20] <Libby> if it were in japanese?
[18:20] <@***Star***> and then that's where the REAL fans of RM came in and siad
[18:20] <@***Star***> THESE SCRIPTS WORK ONLY
[18:20] <@***Star***> IN
[18:21] <@***Star***> OFFICIAL RM
[18:21] <@***Star***> stop using postality knights
 01[18:21] <Libby> I have no idea~
 01[18:21] <Libby> XD
[18:21] <@***Star***> I had been in the XP days
[18:21] <@***Star***> I saw it ALL
[18:21] <@***Star***> ALLLL
[18:21] <@***Star***> xD

 01[18:21] <Libby> If I could buy an english translation for RM2K/3 I would
 01[18:21] <Libby> That money would appear out of thin air and into their bank accounts
[18:22] <@***Star***> besides it's too late for rm2k3 now
 01[18:22] <Libby> XD
[18:22] <@***Star***> if the revive it
[18:22] <@***Star***> that means they have to add
[18:22] <@***Star***> support for it
[18:22] <@***Star***> and patches
 01[18:22] <Libby> well, there's still a lot of people who use it
[18:22] <@***Star***> which they don't relaly have right now since they're focused on the new makers
 01[18:22] <Libby> so
 01[18:22] <Libby> they can't complain about pirate/hacked versions of the old makers then
[18:22] <@***Star***> they don't
 01[18:22] <Libby> I mean, they can complain, but they need to understand
[18:22] <boyo~> ***Star***
 01[18:23] <Libby> yeah
[18:23] <@***Star***> they already complained and even said
 01[18:23] <Libby> I know
 01[18:23] <Libby> just posting it out there
[18:23] <@***Star***> but it's still their property
[18:23] <boyo~> How the **** does Pisces constellation even remotely look like a fish
[18:23] <@***Star***> and you CAN buy it legally
[18:23] <@***Star***> just not in english
 01[18:23] <Libby> still, I prefer some of the old versions
 01[18:23] <Libby> that's the main issue
[18:23] <@***Star***> but it doesn't mean you  CAN'T buy it
 01[18:23] <Libby> in japanese
[18:23] <@***Star***> so they can still complain since it's against their TERMS AND CONDITIONS
 01[18:23] <Libby> which most english can't read
[18:23] <@***Star***> which is a contract
[18:23] <@***Star***> and
[18:23] <@***Star***> like what others will say
[18:23] <@***Star***> language barrier
[18:24] <@***Star***> isn't a good excuse
 01[18:24] <Libby> it'd be the most used one though
[18:24] <@***Star***> it's like how JP doesn't understand english copyrights
[18:24] <@***Star***> they still get sued
 01[18:24] <Libby> Now, I bought the new makers because i love them
[18:24] <@***Star***> the same hting goes to ENG 2k3 users
 01[18:24] <Libby> I'll always love 2k and 2k3, and might use them
 01[18:24] <Libby> but I don't ahve them legally

<Cute Babble>

[18:26] <@***Star***> I will ASK degica
[18:26] <007> Well honestly
 01[18:26] <Libby>
[18:26] <007> I think RMVX Ace is nice enough
[18:26] <@***Star***> if they can try to put in 2k3/2000 Value
[18:26] <@***Star***> in ENG
 01[18:26] <Libby> yay~
[18:26] <@***Star***> I did thought about it
[18:26] <007> but yeah 2k3 in Eng would be great
[18:26] <@***Star***> but then yeah
[18:26] <@***Star***> the points I said
 01[18:26] <Libby> people do still use the engine
 01[18:26] <Libby> a lot do
[18:26] <boyo~> can you ask them to request a revision of the EULA
[18:26] <007> At least to be legally used and stuff
 06[18:26] * boyo~ gets shot
[18:26] <@***Star***> it's mostly compatibility
 01[18:26] <Libby> it's easier and doesn't require scripting to use
[18:26] <@***Star***> and the bugfixes
[18:26] <@***Star***> etc.
 01[18:26] <Libby> also, it's a charming engine
 01[18:27] <Libby> and there are some things it does right that VX and VXA don't
 01[18:27] <Libby> like the mapping layers -.-
[18:27] <007> I think if they allowed 320x240 maps and 16x16 tiles in RMVX Ace, then we wouldn't really have had this issue so much.... actually it still would because it's STILL missing some things that RM2k3 had
[18:27] <007> >:U
 01[18:27] <Libby> why'd they have to mess with the mapping layer?
[18:27] <@***Star***> actuall
[18:27] <@***Star***> y
[18:27] <@***Star***> I would hate 320x240 maps
[18:27] <@***Star***> and 16x16 in vXace
[18:27] <boyo~> I think we're just all stuck in our ways
 01[18:27] <Libby> true
[18:27] <@***Star***> and I would kill EB
[18:28] <@***Star***> if they did tht
[18:28] <@***Star***> *that
[18:28] <007> I mean as an option
 01[18:28] <Libby> I don't mind the sizes as much
[18:28] <boyo~> 2k3 displays at double res by default anyway
[18:28] <007> not as a ONLY thing
[18:28] <@***Star***> IGM had that ;_;
[18:28] <boyo~> so doubling sized resources
[18:28] <@***Star***> yeah
 01[18:28] <Libby> but, I do wish they hadn't messed with the mapping layers
[18:28] <boyo~> would be exactly the same
 06[18:28] * Libby is stuck on this point forever
[18:28] <007> RMXP's mapping was fine


<***Star*** asked someone higher about it and they said they'd put it out there and that they'd have to get an official translation>


 01[18:29] <Libby> it would be great to see
 01[18:29] <Libby> an they'd be making some money back on a program that is still used now
[18:30] <007> Though they're gonna waste money on translating if they do
 01[18:30] <Libby> instead of missing out on a market
[18:30] <007> or at least resources
[18:30] <@***Star***> but yeah
[18:30] <@***Star***> my boss said it himself
 01[18:30] <Libby> they could use a fantranslation
[18:30] <boyo~> sucks to be a plugin user :<
[18:30] <@***Star***> if there's enough interested
[18:30] <007> if they do fan translation, then that might be ok but they'd have to contact whoever did it which I think was
[18:30] <@***Star***> they're
[18:30] <@***Star***> going
[18:30] <@***Star***> to
[18:30] <@***Star***> publish i
[18:30] <007> whats his phylomortis name
[18:30] <@***Star***> t
[18:30] <007> :3
 01[18:30] <Libby>
[18:30] <007> Yeah that'd be cool
[18:30] <@***Star***> RPG advocate
 01[18:30] <Libby> yess
[18:30] <@***Star***> I'm not counting on it though
[18:30] <007> If they do
 01[18:30] <Libby> his was the best one
[18:30] <007> I would actually buy it
 01[18:30] <Libby> yes
 01[18:30] <Libby> same
 01[18:30] <Libby> definitely
[18:31] <007> and I could go back to using it
[18:31] <@***Star***> I'm still not counting on it though
[18:31] <007>
[18:31] <@***Star***> haha
 01[18:31] <Libby> nevermind that I don't use it as much anytmore
[18:31] <@***Star***> how many 2k3 users are out there right now
 01[18:31] <Libby> I'd still buy it
[18:31] <007> instead of using RMVX Ace for legal reasons
 01[18:31] <Libby> lost
 01[18:31] <Libby> lots
[18:31] <007> There still are some
[18:31] <@***Star***> some
[18:31] <007> in fact, I think some just switched over for legality reasons
[18:31] <007> like me
[18:31] <@***Star***> but yeah
[18:31] <007> but if it were legal again
 01[18:31] <Libby> you've got people who have lots of old projects
[18:31] <007> I'd be right back
[18:31] <@***Star***> he'll bring it up with eb
[18:31] <boyo~> problem is that almost every single 2k3 user uses some sort of patch or plugin
[18:31] <@***Star***> exactly what boyo~ said
[18:31] <@***Star***> that's
[18:31] <@***Star***> against
[18:31] <@***Star***> the eula
 01[18:31] <Libby> maybe, if we spread the word and have a petition signes...
 01[18:32] <Libby> not me
[18:32] <boyo~> without being allowed to use plugins, there's no point really
[18:32] <@***Star***> that would help eb change their mind
[18:32] <boyo~> for me :<
 01[18:32] <Libby> no patches or plugins
 01[18:32] <Libby> Maybe the glyph one
 01[18:32] <Libby> >.<
 01[18:32] <Libby> forgot about that one
 01[18:33] <Libby> that's one area where XP+ excell - icons
 01[18:33] <Libby> icons<2
[18:33] <@***Star***> hey hey
 01[18:33] <Libby> <3, even

<***Star*** asks about if a petition is made would EB! reconsider and got a positive answer>


 [18:33] <@***Star***> it's going to be a poll
[18:33] <@***Star***> so you guys better vote
 01[18:34] <Libby> yesss~
 01[18:34] <Libby> (I was thinking more one of those change pages)
 01[18:34] <Libby> that way we could all share the link on facebook and whatnot
[18:34] <@***Star***> ok
 01[18:34] <Libby>
 01[18:35] <Libby> change.org
[18:38] <@***Star***> also 007
[18:38] <@***Star***> tell it to MD
[18:38] <@***Star***> I'm sure those guys would love it
[18:38] <@***Star***> http://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?/topic/1605-if-we-were-to-release-rpg-maker-2003-in-english-would-you-buy-it/
[18:38] <007> k
[18:38] <boyo~> :<
[18:38] <boyo~> I wonder how many people will answer without knowing the eula thing
[18:39] <@***Star***> I should bring this up
 01[18:40] <Libby> http://www.change.org/petitions/an-official-english-version-of-rpg-maker-2003-eb-to-release-an-english-version-of-rpg-maker-2003
 01[18:40] <Libby> could we use that too?
[18:40] <@***Star***> it mght be better to vote on the official site
[18:40] <@***Star***> but
[18:40] <@***Star***> you can post that too I think
 01[18:41] <Libby> yeah, but use that as a way to spread the word
 01[18:41] <Libby> I'll edit in a link to that topic


<***Star*** lets them know about the petition and he says to put the amount at about 1000>


 [18:43] <@***Star***> yeah you can use the petition
 01[18:43] <Libby> yeah I am
 01[18:43] <Libby> editing a few things~
[18:43] <@***Star***> but change the amount to 1000
 01[18:43] <Libby> doing
 01[18:44] <Libby> it also automatically ups once that amount is reached
 01[18:44] <Libby> so if it reaches 100, it changes to 200, then 400...
[18:44] <@***Star***> yeah but it has to be 1000
[18:44] <@***Star***> minimum
[18:44] <@***Star***> so people have a good idea
[18:44] <@***Star***> how many votes are needed
 01[18:45] <Libby> but I'll add in
 01[18:45] <Libby> yeah, I got it added
 01[18:45] <Libby> just gotta add link and save~
 01[18:47] <Libby> http://www.change.org/petitions/rm2k3-in-english
 01[18:47] <Libby> ya-ha~
[18:47] <@***Star***> someone
[18:47] <@***Star***> post the news
[18:47] <@***Star***> in rmn


[18:49] <boyo~> I'd be all for it.. if it meant me and Windychan could treat XXX as an "indie game"
[18:49] <boyo~> but we can't anyway
[18:49] <boyo~> it uses DynRPG
[18:50] <@***Star***> you can pretend you didn't use add-ons
[18:50] <@***Star***> not like eb will sue your asses off anyway
[18:50] <@***Star***> people used that
[18:50] <@***Star***> tileset editor
[18:50] <@***Star***> which is an external program
[18:50] <@***Star***> in vx
[18:50] <boyo~> yeah
[18:50] <@***Star***> and nobody got sued
 06[18:50] * @***Star*** wink wink
[18:50] <boyo~> hmm
[18:50] <boyo~> well I still wouldn't wanna sell it, just in case (not that I was planning that anyway but.. you know what I mean)
[18:51] <boyo~> that said.. there's worse things out there


<Babble out>

[19:03] <@***Star***> oh man I get excited for you guys
[19:03] <007> I really want RM2k3 legal
[19:03] <007> I'd hop right back on it and make XXX there
[19:03] <007>
[19:04] <007> without worries!
[19:04] <007> and XXX  remake
 01[19:04] <Libby> Posted on SW
[19:04] <007> and then feel all in control of my game again
[19:04] <007> instead of "can someone script x for me D:"
[19:04] <007> \/
 01[19:04] <Libby> yeah
[19:05] <007> It's not like a PERFECT ENGINE
[19:05] <007> but it was really nice for those who aren't programmically minded
[19:05] <boyo~> it's just what
[19:05] <boyo~> I grew up with
[19:05] <007> and graphically stuff
[19:05] <007> and nostalgia
[19:05] <007> and lots of good RM2k3 games around
[19:05] <007> honestly
 01[19:05] <Libby> where to pop this on RPGVXA.com...
[19:05] <007> The ones rated 4 and above in RMN outnumber RMXP and RMVX games rated 4 and above combined I think
[19:05] <@***Star***> 007
[19:05] <@***Star***> we can make
[19:05] <@***Star***> XXX
[19:05] <@***Star***> sellable now :0
[19:06] <007> yes
[19:06] <007> Seee
[19:06] <007> Be happy
[19:06] <@***Star***> haha
[19:06] <007> ;w;
[19:07] <007> RM2k3's english release if it does will be the happiest day in my life
[19:07] <007> lol
[19:07] <007> It's funny
[19:07] <007> I was working in the Library back in like 2000
[19:07] <007> then my brother called me there
[19:07] <007> asked for me and then was happily telling me he found a program to make RPGs
[19:07] <007> I was like "No way"
[19:07] <007> so I got home and got to use RM2k
[19:07] <007> and then I got hooked D:
[19:07] <007> and now i'm here.
[19:08] <@***Star***> someone from france
[19:08] <@***Star***> signed alreadyt
 01[19:08] <Libby>
 01[19:09] <Libby> let's make this happen~

<babble out?>

[19:19] <007> Liberteaaa, please make this happen
 01[19:19] <Libby> I'm trying as hard as I can
 01[19:20] <Libby> tonight will be a search for RM sites night
[19:20] <007> :'3



And the reason they didn't do it in the first place was because of people like you who wouldn't pay. They're only reconsidering because a fan actually asked for them to. As you can see if you read the above hidden content.


PS: How in the world do you hide things on this forum? Hide and Spoiler tags don't work...

[Ben]

I this JesusIsMe pretty muchs summed it up.

I fail to see how not sharing your opinion constituates "Douchiness". I respect that your opinion is not mine. I've stated my case.  I would kindly ask that you respect that I am also entitled to my opinion. An edited chatlog pasted into a forum thread is not going to change my mind at all


"people like you" is a pretty judgemental term to use here. I would have paid. I have a paid edition of Game maker, and two of AGM, and a StencylPro and iOS account on the way. I think Im pretty confident in saying I spend a good deal of money of development tools.
I dont give my money to enterbrain, because they did not value me as a customer. And it seems to me that by alienating so many fans in english speaking contries for this long, they kind of dug their own grave in north america as far as 2k3 is concerned. They never released it here ititially because they werent sure if it would catch on. If it was for fear of piracy, they wouldnt have developed the toolset to begin with.

[Kaiterra_]

I fail to see how not sharing your opinion constituates "Douchiness". I respect that your opinion is not mine. I've stated my case.  I would kindly ask that you respect that I am also entitled to my opinion. An edited chatlog pasted into a forum thread is not going to change my mind at all

You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it is a valid opinion. It doesn't mean that holding steadfast to that opinion in the face of solid logical evidence against it isn't ignorance. It doesn't mean you can just refute facts by saying you have an opinion that differs with them and expect people to respect that.

[Meiscool]

The customer's opinions are the ones that matter in the end. If you like the product and want it, great. If another does not want the product however, it is good business to take their opinions into consideration. They are both valid.

As previously stated, you've heard the majority of the opinions on the matter. You can throw whatever logic at us you want: it really won't change how we feel.

[Ben]

Yeah, were going to have to agree to disagree.

These "facts" are pretty subject to circumstance, and frankly at this point, until the word is given that the project is a go, they are not facts, they are at best speculation and conjecture. Chat logs. Fan speculation. A poll to determine public interest is not a fact. It is a poll. To determine public interest. If I were to start a petition to have battletoads remade for PS3, and am told that somebody will officially back the project if I garner enough public interest, it does not make it a fact. The only fact at play is that essentially some dudes want to make an official english version, and EB has said "Uh...sure... if we make money off it, and we dont have to do the work, go for it"

It does not matter how many people you bring into the discussion from whatever rm community you call home, the general consensus is that we, for the most part, don't see it being all that great of an Idea.

Perhaps another member has something to say to the contrary, but until then, youre going to have to just come to terms with the fact that we do not think this is as awesome as you do.

My opinion is as valid as yours. To say otherwise is simply ignorant.


EDIT: additionally, all credit that chat log might have given your argument is gone as soon as somebody says "We can sell our RM games legally now". Good luck with that....I mean finding somebody to pay money for an rm2k3 game. Im sure it happens, but frankly, the people who pay for that sort of thing are the developers aunties and friends. Unless the game exports into a format that is compatible with online gaming portals, or mobile development, your five dollar indy made rm game, is going to look pretty stupid, numbers wise, when compared with an iOS or android compatible flash java or unity game that is free to play, fan/indy/hobbist/amatuer made, and supported by a development community that is using software that is not paleolithic.

[Prpl_Mage]

Yeah once again. Doing this for nostalgia, having a legal copy and whatever fear comes from using pirated material just isn't enough 9 years later. I remember that a forum contacted the peeps who developed 2k3 and asked them if they would release an english version back in the days. They were merely met with rudeness like "How can you tell if it was a great product unless you pirated it?" And crap. So we weren't listened to back then, back when we actually used it a lot.
So we're not gonna get excited about this. You're not succesfull in convincing us, feels more like you're trying to talk us into it now.

But good luck elsewhere and that you'll find people who share you view

[drenrin2120]

01[18:09] <Libby> like, coverall in the term of they don't mind that it was translated to english or that you use cherry's edits
 01[18:10] <Libby> for that one program
[18:10] <@***Star***> that's against the EULA
[18:10] <@***Star***> if they're going to do that
[18:10] <@***Star***> might as well make rm2k/2k3
[18:10] <@***Star***> open source code
 01[18:10] <Libby> I know, but it would be nice for the older programs
[18:10] <@***Star***> which could hurt them
 01[18:10] <Libby> or even just for the english version
[18:11] <@***Star***> with that you're going to put potential future sales into trobule
[18:11] <@***Star***> since if it's open source code
[18:11] <@***Star***>  al ot of people can copy the code and improvise it
 01[18:11] <Libby> okay, so here's an english version. You're covered only if it's a translated version with no add ons
[18:11] <@***Star***> and make their own engines out of it
[18:11] <@***Star***> libby with that you're pretty much saying go ahead and hack our program
 01[18:11] <Libby> even that would be awesome
 01[18:11] <Libby> no, just translate it
[18:11] <@***Star***> it's still hacking
[18:11] <@***Star***> the program
 01[18:11] <Libby> if people want to hack it, nothing will stop them anyway
[18:12] <@***Star***> yeah but at least you can sue them

I mean, atleast they're being honest, but seriously, **** corporations and **** Enterbrain.

[Archem]

Just stepping in to remind everyone to be polite in this discussion. I see it's getting a bit heated, and my CTRL+F powers picked up on "douchiness", so I'm just concerned that things might take off in a negative way.

Now that I've done my obligation as a moderator, I'm off to another adventure in some distant land (running on a more modern development engine). Hoof!

[fruckert]

Christ, that was a lot of bitching.

I...can't add anything to the topic.
Everything that CAN be said about this has been.
There are far, far better indy/hobbiest dev tools to throw your money at, as well as some free ones if you're adventurous and don't mind learning actual code (XNA/MonoGame, Unity, etc.).
Spending money on an old dinosaur like 2k3 isn't really a smart idea, and I'm fairly positive after the initial "hype" dies down after about a month, Enterbrain is going to agree with that sentiment [sp].

Seriously, just get Game Maker, or Stencyl, or something like that.

[Ben]

How much do those both cost to use, one may ask.

20 dollars less than an edition of RM2k3 that hasnt been given the green light yet.


BOOYA

[ellie-is]

Boggling my mind over here. I'm pretty sure damn-near everything you've ever used was pirated.

I only pirated things because I could never buy them. When I was younger my parents would never give me money to pay for things online, whatever kind of things they might be. Games were just something I was not allowed to spend money on.
But, guess what, I'm older now, and I've been doing some jobs here and there, and I have my own money to spend on things that I like.

@the thread:

Guys, calm down, you're being way too aggressive about the whole thing. Everyone involved.

I agree with Ben that if they were to release it for free it would surely bring a lot more attention into the company as a whole and all the fans would be pleased. It is a ten year old software, after all.
I also agree that if they were to make changes to it, even if minor, such as getting rid of all those limitations that hardly make any sense these days, that would also be great and would make it worth people's money.
Finally I will agree with Archem that things are getting a little too heated and that it would be very nice if everyone could calm down.

Liberty, I really like what you're doing and I can see that you take this seriously. But, sad as it may be, it seems that the community isn't very interested. It's a shame, really. I can't speak for everyone now, but I have to thank you for at least trying to do what you think is right.

[ellie-is]

Oh, and

PS: How in the world do you hide things on this forum? Hide and Spoiler tags don't work...

We just had a update that didn't exactly go along too well and the forum is slightly broken. We're working on fixing it.

[A Forgotten Legend]

I think I would buy it.  I dunno, I just think that I would.

[Archem]

I only pirated things because I could never buy them. When I was younger my parents would never give me money to pay for things online, whatever kind of things they might be. Games were just something I was not allowed to spend money on.
But, guess what, I'm older now, and I've been doing some jobs here and there, and I have my own money to spend on things that I like.

Alright, alright, I won't harp on about the subject any further.

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