Getting Help on Charas

[CoolZidane]

Am I the only one who notices it is hard to get help on Charas?

I see quite a few game threads with hardly any posts on it, most of which are of people who are just complimenting the story or giving story advice. However, when help is asked, the thread becomes a dead zone.

Meanwhile, the fangame threads commonly excel to multiple pages in a matter of days. While this is probably because the resources are easier to get, it makes the creators of original plots lose motivation due to the lack of help.

So many games with good, exciting, and original plots are never finished because everyone is too busy gathering everything for a game based on something we've seen before.

Who agrees?

(If this is in the wrong place, please move it)

[blackskullwarlock]

Agree.

It's hard to get help since most of the spriters on Charas have game of their own and since they can sprite their own characters, their games proceed faster than others thus draining any time to help the others. Some people just request a ridiculous amount of stuff and are almost going mad after one day that no one replyed. In those cases, the spriters usually just ignore them for requesting way too much.

I do take requests from time to time, just not directly from the forums + I limit the requests to friends-only. I must be one of the few that works that way, to be honest.

People might get help if they were requesting fewer stuff in a less n00bish manner. Nothing worst than requesting a huge list and adding gun smileys and the likes.

[Drace]

Yes, it's hard to get help. That's one of the reason I quit RPGmaking.

[Dragonium]

I agree too. I'm sick of asking a question in my thread, and then it being ignored because everyone cares about a fangame.

It's not just the fangames either. I'll name no names, but just because a member is more popular than another, doesn't mean you should praise everything the first does, and critique everything done by the second.

Example:

I see various graphics made by a certain spriter (Who I won't name). They are good, yes, and everyone says "Wow, that's amazing, you rock!", and stuff like that. However, when another member, who is less popular does work of the same standard, we get "Well, it's good, but it's not great. Do more work on it".

I mean, what is this, a popularity contest? No. So why can't we just throw away our differences, and all help each other with our games?

[blackskullwarlock]

Dragonium, you might not say names but I obviously know who you are talking about and I don't think it's really cool to say such things...

And have you ever considered that some artist are better than others? That some really deserve compliments and other really need to work harder?

[Almeidaboo]

Itps not time to care about the names thing...the problem is really boring. Doesn´t affect me since I hardly request anything, what makes me angrier is that idea that a game that uses RPT sucks. That brings the whole problem...

[InsaneJP]

hey i agree with you guys....i see alot of people....like dragonium and even Leon 1990 requesting things and people just ignore it...ive had my share of requests ignored and i know how it feels....when i have time to help people i help them out as long as i have time....cuz like you guys also sed...people do have their own games to make to

[Dragonium]

Originally posted by blackskullwarlock
And have you ever considered that some artist are better than others? That some really deserve compliments and other really need to work harder?

I'd like to say that I was not talking about myself. It's not sour grapes at all. So I hardly think it's fair to make assumptions.

And what about when a member sees someone else's work, and in admiration tries to do their own, works as hard as they can and does their very best, only for some more experienced member to shatter their aspirations by saying "You obviously didn't try at all, go back and work harder"? Seriously, would you like that to happen to you?

I know that some artists are better than others, but imagine a spriter producing a good piece of work without really putting much effort into it, and a newbie to spriting trying their very best and making something not quite as good. Who there deserves more praise?

(By the way, I'm speaking generally, not personally)

And Insane, you're right. The way people respond to requests at the moment is way out of whack.

[Ace of Spades]

If I can, I always try to help with a request, but I'm hardly good at anything, and I have my game to work on. I used to do map requests, but I stopped because I saw that many people were making a game, I made a map for that game, and then a few months later, they scrap that game. So I just got sick of doing map requests for the public, now if I do fulfil a request, it's for one of my friends. It's times like these that make me feel happy I got all of my requests done a while ago. But I do know what you're talking about, and it does suck for other members. I think that's one of the main things that goes through a request fulfiller's head though, nowadays. "In my mind, do I feel that this person will finish their game?" I know that's how I felt after awhile doing map requests.

[blackskullwarlock]

That's the way things are. Some are talented, some are not. Sometimes your best is not enough and all you've got to do is keep trying. If you post your first sprite on the forum to get opinions and people end up saying it sucks, that's not our problem. They shouldn't have post in the first place if they can't take critics.

As far as requests are concerned, time and will to work are two things most spriters are lacking since most, if not all, have their own game. If you can't get your requests done and complain about how long it takes, might as well start learning how to sprite because you probably have the time to learn by the time your request gets done, assume it does.

[InsaneJP]

yea theres alot of people that still DO help people but now they can only do it on their free time and sometimes.....(like the character creators....and i kno this personally about myself)....people cant keep up with all the requests too....if everyone did every request you would have people like me Xjericho Ghostclown Saikar and many other....doing everything for everyones game...then no one would learn to do anything for themselves

[Drace]

I would help people if I could actually do anything good or find the time for it.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Originally posted by blackskullwarlock
That's the way things are. Some are talented, some are not. Sometimes your best is not enough and all you've got to do is keep trying. If you post your first sprite on the forum to get opinions and people end up saying it sucks, that's not our problem. They shouldn't have post in the first place if they can't take critics.

Exactly. That's always bugged me when people think its a work of genius, get told it sucks, and then proceed to scream and yell. But If I'm even going to attempt to do anything fro someone they have to not get on my nerves. There are a lot of people (none here) the really bug the hell outta me, so I just won't do their request.

[Rune_of_Punishment]

Dude, I wish my game thread would get flamed all to hell. I mean, my game sucks. It's like, of poor quality. Why do I get praised when others don't?

[ZeroKirbyX]

It's because you're respected. In my opinion though if someone respects you they should be honest instead of buttering it up.