Bonk Bonk Bonk!

[SaiKar]

For frick's sake...

Look, no matter how much you hassled Warxe into saying the contrary, the bonk system is fine as is. Aside from tossing a few around to show people how it works, the only people getting bonked are the ones that are seriously out of line. It's basically a "hey, knock it off, or you're going to get banned for a time" thing. A last warning that is hard to ignore. People can take them as seriously as they want, but not taking them seriously and continuing to do something stupid might make posting difficult for a few days.

No mod has to leave their name. I might put a "Hey, this is Sai, the admin, the person that can ban you, so listen up" kinda warning in ones for people that are WAY over the line. Other mods can sign theirs if they want to. But no one HAS to and we won't be remaking the system so that names are included by default. Osmose may be the mod of a smaller forum, but he's also part of the staff, knows the rules, and has a good eye for spotting small problems that can quickly turn big. Not many of you have understood that mods of a diferent forum are still allowe to enforce rules in this one, and I won't have anyone saying "Pfffb, he's just a lesser mod, don't care" to any person of my staff.

Don't like the system? That's tough. Virtually no one on this forum has had any respect for what a mod says for a long time. You all know when you're doing something dumb, but you do it anyway, and then complain when you get caught. Please. I don't like giving out threats and bans, but rules unfortunatelly need penalties when they're ignored. Honestly I think we've been VERY soft on this forum. People babble about other forums? On other forums people get BANNED. A LOT. For usually very poor reasons. I don't want to do that here so don't push me into needing to.


About elections, we've had them. I love them since for about two weeks everyone is in high spirits, campaigning and making propaganda images and snide remarks at the competition. Unfortunately when the votes come in the people that win usually aren't good mods. It's easy to say "if I was a mod I'd do this!" but staring down all of your friends and telling them to stop being jerks takes a spine that not everyone has, especially when the novelty of the job wear off and you have to check in on the forum on days you weren't really in the mood for it.

[Cosmos]

Originally posted by Meiscool
Dearest Kij:
I think you somewhat discribe the idea of being crazy, though you might not fully understand it.

You contradict yourself horridly, and odds are you realize it but don't care. However, it becomes difficult for you to prove anything when you're so hypocritical and you can't admit it, hence rather then being a 'voice' for whatever idea you are trying to persaude upon us, you become an annoyance that'd we'd rather not deal with.

Pls wehn u cum on den type lik dis it hard to take u seriouly 8D.

Internet'd, Meiscool.

I'm sorry.. but I couldnt resist.. lawl love the post.

Originally posted by Drace
Ain't I allowed to sleep without something happening? Damn you guys, every single time.

And "getting bonked" sounds so good when Mid sends one.

Aww so sweet  

Originally posted by Shady Ultima

quote:

Originally posted by Warxe_PhoenixBlade So yeah, my offer still remains. I don't think we'll make it mandatory to have a named bonk, but the mods will have the option of it. Same with reasons, examples, etc. A bonk count of some sort would probably be easy to do (Alex could modify the logfile to show bonks rather than mod actions). Anything else?

How about... for bonks directed towards senior members, such as IHAS, MIC, myself, etc (sorry to everyone I left out), the mod must leave their name. For a new member, it is not quite as important seeing as new members don't know the mods as well?

Um no, I totally disagree with that. Doesn't matter if you're a Newb, Senior, Mod, or admin..a member is a member and they all deserve to be treated the same. To suggest that new ppl are lesser then any other member is stupid (no offense). Without new ppl there would be no forum. I personally have no issue with giving my name out, *shrugs* but if I ever do see a problem I'll post it in the thread or whine to the admin guy.

Originally posted by Razor
God damn you people.
Just because I get up one day, go into the city in the morning, then spend the night at a friends house, have a busy day, and don't come back to Charas til night, does not mean you can make a 7 page thread filled with fire and burning.
Jesus.

lawl, XD Dude, I was like WTF!?!?!?! O.o and I had no idea what was going on until I read pureblood's pm.

For now, why don't the mods just step back and allow everyone else to discuss this amongst themselves. No point in getting into anymore heated arguements over a few words. Kay?

[Moosetroop11]

*Reads posts*

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Charas, you ca-wazy!

 

Virtually no one on this forum has had any respect for what a mod says for a long time.

That's totally unfair Sai'kar. You don't seem to take any notice of the members that don't cause trouble anymore- Sammich and MIC aren't the only charas left

I still hold quite a bit of respect for you, Warxe, and FFL, and anything Razor says is like gold dust. VALUABLE GOLD

[WarxePB]

Woot, I'm respected by the crazy moose with a bottomless pit for a stomach.

And I still hold to my ugly inbred family statement.

[plightofthepureblood]

Originally posted by SaiKar
For frick's sake...



No mod has to leave their name. I might put a "Hey, this is Sai, the admin, the person that can ban you, so listen up"

Don't like the system? That's tough. Virtually no one on this forum has had any respect for what a mod says for a long time.

Again, the anonymity is self defeating dude.



If there is a problem with a Moderators "aurthority" over the Charas members, then they arent really doing an effective job of moderating.
If the mod has to remain anonymous, it simply proves that the mod isnt holding any authority aside from the "Ill tell on you kind".

Seriously......

I know Im being redundant here, but its a matter of respect.

to say i "dont have respect" for the moderators is a crock. I have much respect....which dimisishes when my respect is not reciprocated.

How do you expect the Mods to be respected when they are disrespecting members by not showing their faces when "bonked?"

Its like saying......"Hey, Listen to me! Im not going to tell you who I am, but youd better listen to what I say!"

Besides, aside from perhaps a rude noob....think of the peole that are possible candidates for being "bonked"

If a thread is heated, and the member has a feeling hes going to get bonked, hes gonna open a new window, to the member activity page. And right there, its gonna tell that member who is reading the post.....

Correct me if Im wrong, but the folks most at risk for being bonked, are going to be the more outspoken, familiar members of the forum....the ones who know where to look.

Also, in support of this argument, I will reiterate a point IHAS made earlier......


What if youre offline for a few days.....and come back to find youve been bonked.....And have no Idea what for.......

Thats like rubbing a dogs nose in poop thats already a week old...the dog simply thinks "Man....why is my master rubbing my nose in this old poop? I dont know where it came from..."


Seriously though....

I know I for one, would appreciate Knowing the name of the Mod/admin that bonked me. Not as a means to fly off of the handle, but because if it were a sensitive subject, id like to discuss why it pissed the mod off, and why I said the statement.But what if its a touchy subject.....

A scenario if you will:
What if, In a New topic,under All of all,Lets say... I make reference to my huge Balls... Lets say, you bonk me......Id like to know your name, so as to explain about my Cancer treatments, and that the statement was not out of line....but in fact a slightly humorous reference to a serious sensitive matter.....And then discuss with the Moderator the ramifications of the Bonk, and My post/topic so as to avoid further turbulence.



If Im spamming, Then bonk anonymously.....Spamming is stupid anyhow.


As a matter of professionality, and respect, the Name of the Authority should be given. The Mods arent going to be respected any more  for hiding their Identity....And honestly, I cant see them being respected any less for addressing a problem face to face with a member.

[SaiKar]

I honestly don't see the big deal about the name thing. If a mod gives you a warning, you take it to heart. The name of the mod doesn't matter. Should we include where the mod lives, or what age he is, or his favorite type of pizza? No, none of those matter at all. Just like his name. If a police officer pulls you over for speeding, does his name change his authority? Does it get you out of a ticket? Even if he tells you his name, do you remember it five minutes after you get back on the road?

A mod sends a warning. The warning is recieved. That's it.

[plightofthepureblood]

Originally posted by SaiKar
I honestly don't see the big deal about the name thing. If a mod gives you a warning, you take it to heart. The name of the mod doesn't matter. Should we include where the mod lives, or what age he is, or his favorite type of pizza? No, none of those matter at all. Just like his name. If a police officer pulls you over for speeding, does his name change his authority? Does it get you out of a ticket? Even if he tells you his name, do you remember it five minutes after you get back on the road?

A mod sends a warning. The warning is recieved. That's it.

Thats a ridiculous rebuttal to my statment.

If a Cop gives me a ticket, and fails to provide His name on the ticket, the ticket is no good.

In fact, not only does the cop give his name, but He gives his serial number as well. He does this because thats What hes gotta do for that ticket to have ANY CREDIBILITY.

Ive actually gotten off of a charge because the Officer failed to identify himself properly on a ticket. He Didnt give his Badge number, and it was thrown out. I saved myself a big ticket.....and why?
Why was his authority no good?Because he didnt provide proper information.

So yeah dude, if a cop does pull me over and hand me a ticket....and dosent tell me his name in some way.....it does change it.

The same goes with any charge......If the arresting officer dosent provide information properly, than the charge is dropped.

I have idiot friends who sell drugs, that have gotten off of RIDICULOUSLY HUGE charges because of this too. The Authority gets gunhappy....



Seriously dude. Professional Courtesy.

I think if its a matter pertaining to anything Aside from petty spamming, the name should be given.....

I dont even understand why you would dispute this, aside from trying to impose the authority, despite having a reasonable flaw in the system ppointed out, meerly for the sake of not wanting to admit you are supporting a slightly flawed idea.

Why dont you listen, man? Im not trying to Undermine you. Im trying to point out a flaw that is undermining your ability to conduct your duties in a professional manner.

Im trying to help dude. Would it kill you to actually consider what Im saying? No disrespect intended.

[Black Massacre]

Originally posted by Ace of Spades
And Black Massacre, shut up you mini mod. :p

I totally should be a mini mod, mod, gm, mini admin, or admin.

I mean want wouldn't want me as one of those?

[Kijuki_Magazaki]

Originally posted by plightofthepureblood

quote:

Originally posted by SaiKar I honestly don't see the big deal about the name thing. If a mod gives you a warning, you take it to heart. The name of the mod doesn't matter. Should we include where the mod lives, or what age he is, or his favorite type of pizza? No, none of those matter at all. Just like his name. If a police officer pulls you over for speeding, does his name change his authority? Does it get you out of a ticket? Even if he tells you his name, do you remember it five minutes after you get back on the road? A mod sends a warning. The warning is recieved. That's it.

Thats a ridiculous rebuttal to my statment.

If a Cop gives me a ticket, and fails to provide His name on the ticket, the ticket is no good.

In fact, not only does the cop give his name, but He gives his serial number as well. He does this because thats What hes gotta do for that ticket to have ANY CREDIBILITY.

Ive actually gotten off of a charge because the Officer failed to identify himself properly on a ticket. He Didnt give his Badge number, and it was thrown out. I saved myself a big ticket.....and why?
Why was his authority no good?Because he didnt provide proper information.

So yeah dude, if a cop does pull me over and hand me a ticket....and dosent tell me his name in some way.....it does change it.

The same goes with any charge......If the arresting officer dosent provide information properly, than the charge is dropped.

I have idiot friends who sell drugs, that have gotten off of RIDICULOUSLY HUGE charges because of this too. The Authority gets gunhappy....



Seriously dude. Professional Courtesy.

I think if its a matter pertaining to anything Aside from petty spamming, the name should be given.....

I dont even understand why you would dispute this, aside from trying to infringe the authority, despite having a reasonable flaw in the system ppointed out, meerly for the sake of not wanting to admit you are supporting a slightly flawed idea.

Why dont you listen, man? Im not trying to Undermine you. Im trying to point out a flaw that is undermining your ability to conduct your duties in a professional manner.

Im trying to help dude. Would it kill you to actually consider what Im saying? No disrespect intended.

Sure and I am supposed to be the one with the same crazy ideals.

Gem, I see your point through and through, but they won't do anything. Sai has given the last piece of info that reinstates what warxe said at the beggining. No matter what you say, you wont be heard.

If you continue you are gonna get bonked until you are banned . So i suggest leaving them alone, or continue; ..really at least that's as far as your rights go. (nice comics btw, if you have msn or trillian add me, my email is in my profile)

Well nice to see this little season come to its first episode's closing, I will now go surf the internet and be away for another time to come from the oppresive feelings I get from about here.

The system's idea would've been good, if they would listen to just at least the anonymous thing.

But this is their own little world now.



*poofs*

[Jaide]

Wow.  Um, why is this even being debated?  The bonk system is to be used when someone steps out of line.  If you don't step out of line, then this system doesn't even pertain to you.  So why make a big fuss over it unless you're intending to step out of line in the first place?

[aboutasoandthis]

Finally I've read through this entire thread. 7 Pages...

When you step outta line, you usually don't know it yourself because it depends on a persons feelings.

I could make a blatently racist comment and not even know it because I've never known anyone hurt by it.

I could get bonked, and not really know what I did wrong.

At the same time, like plight (I think it was him) said earlier, someone could post something offensive or hurtfull to a member or a guest and the moderators might not take it seriously.

I remember calling Brandon Abley an ***hole for no particular reason. He's the guy who did the music for "Grave Spirit." He's mad at me. I sent him an apology. Did I get a PM or a notice or anything on the subject, no. Why? Because nobody knew about it.

I still like the idea of the Moderator putting his or her name on the warning. It just doesn't seem right without it.

This is gonna be a stupid question. Is there a constitution out there that says exactly what a Moderator can and cannot do?

[drenrin2120]

Who cares about credibility. A cop has to tell you his name and serial number to verify the claim because in the world the police officer works in there could easily be a fake or counterfeit. This is charas, only a mod can send you a bonk. That alone verifies it. Unless someone hacks charas, don't worry.

[Revolution911]

You're all a bunch of whiny little bitches. Who cares. Has EVERYONE on this forum turned into a 2 year old crybaby? Stop acting like this is a country or something, its an online FORUM. If you get bonked oh well, shape up and shutup.

And by the way, you suck as a revolutionist Kijuki.

[I Have a Sandwich]

Originally posted by SaiKar
I honestly don't see the big deal about the name thing. If a mod gives you a warning, you take it to heart. The name of the mod doesn't matter. Should we include where the mod lives, or what age he is, or his favorite type of pizza? No, none of those matter at all. Just like his name. If a police officer pulls you over for speeding, does his name change his authority? Does it get you out of a ticket? Even if he tells you his name, do you remember it five minutes after you get back on the road?

A mod sends a warning. The warning is recieved. That's it.

Thats not the point. Lets say that a mod says "Bonk for blah blah blah". You may think "When did I do that?" adn would like to know where you did so maybe you can know what you did, but guess what? You dont know who sent it to you, so you dont know who to ask. How can you be expected to not do something when you aren't even sure where/what you did?

[Jaide]

Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
When you step outta line, you usually don't know it yourself because it depends on a persons feelings.

I could make a blatently racist comment and not even know it because I've never known anyone hurt by it.

I could get bonked, and not really know what I did wrong.

I didn't think about it that way, and you're right on this.  It can be circumstantial.  I do still believe though that this thread has gotten way out of hand for no real reason.

I agree with Drenrin and Revolution.  People need to keep in mind that this is not a country, it is a forum.  Simmer down.  ;P

Let the mods/admins do what they think is necessary, and after sufficient time has passed and you still think the system sucks, complain about it then.  Let things actually get a fair chance to be tried out before you knock them.

But even despite what you do or do not like at the moment, the mods and admins get to make the decision of what goes and what doesn't.  I highly doubt there's some sort of mod constitution, because, once again, this isn't some tiny eastern European country, it's an online forum.