The RANT thread

[Spike21]

Originally posted by coasterkrazy

Originally posted by Spike21

Originally posted by coasterkrazy

People who mix up race and ethnicity/religion. JEWISH IS NOT A RACE. GET OVER IT.
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Jewish is actualy a race...

and ZKX the two theiories can not go together. if you go deeper into both they start controdicting each other[/B]

Depends on how you define race. If you define race as ethnicity or religion, then yes, it is a race. But the general idea of race is all based on skin color. For example, African-American is more often considered a race then, say, German.

@MM: Razor said Jewish, didn't he?[/B]

Color of skin doesn't make some one a certain race, color of skin is hardly related with race

[Archem]

Apparently I posted this one at the Leak-Free forums... I could have sworn it was at another one, though.

My views on religion:

I'm technically Catholic. Better add to that that I'm the worst Catholic ever. I believe in God, I believe that religion is used as a way to apply a set of moral standards and to help bring us above violent, lawless masses, but I also disbelieve in most of the teachings of the church. Corruption has a heavy hand in religion, and even if not today, then in the past, where none questioned the many "modifications" to the Bible.

I'm also not stupid. I believe in natural selection and evolution, and I don't believe that religion is grounds to create holy wars and conflicts. I feel like starting a new religion where the basics of religion are used, and where irrational thoughts are vetoed from the future itterations of my religion. God created us, and God let things go from there. Not much else to it, evolution can be counted as part of intelligent design, morality is a thing for all people, and faith keeps us from falling into a state of panic. And in the end, believing in God is insurance: If he doesn't exist, my ideal religion means you haven't wasted opportunities worshiping him, but if he's real, then on to heaven you go. I'm also set to either believe or disbelieve in God once enough solid proof is provided, but that hasn't happened, and I doubt it ever will happen.

In the end religion, whether worthwhile or not, was still made to give the faithless faith, the hopeless hope, and the immoral a set of decency. I'm in religion mostly for what it provides, rather than buying a stairway to heaven. Plus, it gives me peace of mind to know that something's helping out our pathetic race from falling apart, even if in ideas only.
Sorry for the rant.

[coasterkrazy]

Originally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race

You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.

There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.

EDIT: Sorry, I rephrase "it's where the word racist comes from." I meant more along the lines of, it's what racist is. If someone calls a hater of Jews racist, they're technically incorrect, as the correct word would be anti-semitic.

[Spike21]

Originally posted by coasterkrazy

Originally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race

You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.

There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
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Just an example the color of my skin is black, but i am "caucasion(sp?)"

[aboutasoandthis]

 Originally Posted by coastercrazy

 

Originally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race

You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.

[There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.

Race is supposed to come from whatever area/country/geographical region/etc. you come from. There are just people who generalize too much.

BTW, Archem wins again.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Originally posted by Spike21

Originally posted by coasterkrazy

Originally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race

You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.

There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
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Just an example the color of my skin is black, but i am "caucasion(sp?)" [/B]

No, because caucasion is a fancy word for white. Physical race may be where you come from, but genetic race has to deal with your skin color. If I'm white, but born in Africa, I'm african. But if you go way back when, the only people to have that much pigment to make them black were people in africa. The only people to have brown skin were people in the americas. The only people to have white skin were europeans. Genetically speaking, if you're black, you're african. That's all there is to it.

[Archem]

Originally posted by aboutasoandthis
...BTW, Archem wins again.

I know, I think I should join the debate club at my school before I graduate. I wonder if it's too late?

[Spike21]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX

Originally posted by Spike21

Originally posted by coasterkrazy

Originally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race

You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.

There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
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Just an example the color of my skin is black, but i am "caucasion(sp?)" [/B]

No, because caucasion is a fancy word for white. Physical race may be where you come from, but genetic race has to deal with your skin color. If I'm white, but born in Africa, I'm african. But if you go way back when, the only people to have that much pigment to make them black were people in africa. The only people to have brown skin were people in the americas. The only people to have white skin were europeans. Genetically speaking, if you're black, you're african. That's all there is to it.[/B]

geneticaly speaking you can have a trait but not display it.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Originally posted by Spike21

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX

Originally posted by Spike21

Originally posted by coasterkrazy

Originally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race

You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.

There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
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Just an example the color of my skin is black, but i am "caucasion(sp?)" [/B]

No, because caucasion is a fancy word for white. Physical race may be where you come from, but genetic race has to deal with your skin color. If I'm white, but born in Africa, I'm african. But if you go way back when, the only people to have that much pigment to make them black were people in africa. The only people to have brown skin were people in the americas. The only people to have white skin were europeans. Genetically speaking, if you're black, you're african. That's all there is to it.[/B]

geneticaly speaking you can have a trait but not display it.[/B]

The point of this debate is that if you have a certain skin color, you are of a certain race. If you are white, but have a recessive black gene, that STILL MEANS that you are part european. It doesn't matter what is recessive and what's dominant, if you are of a certain color, you are of a certain race. OBVIOUSLY this isn't taking into account albinos or those with pigmentation disorders.

Recap: If you display a trait, you still bear it, meaning you are that trait that is dominant, and whatever the hell is recessive doesn't matter.

[Spike21]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX

Originally posted by Spike21

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX

Originally posted by Spike21

Originally posted by coasterkrazy

Originally posted by Spike21
color of skin is hardly related with race

You're kidding me, right? Tell me you're kidding. It's uncommon for me to make this sort of response, but have you ever actually seen/heard/read anything concerning race? Skin color has EVERYTHING to do with race. It's even where the word "racist" comes from.

There may be disputes on what else race means, but that's without a doubt a big, if not the biggest, factor in it.
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Just an example the color of my skin is black, but i am "caucasion(sp?)" [/B]

No, because caucasion is a fancy word for white. Physical race may be where you come from, but genetic race has to deal with your skin color. If I'm white, but born in Africa, I'm african. But if you go way back when, the only people to have that much pigment to make them black were people in africa. The only people to have brown skin were people in the americas. The only people to have white skin were europeans. Genetically speaking, if you're black, you're african. That's all there is to it.[/B]

geneticaly speaking you can have a trait but not display it.[/B]

The point of this debate is that if you have a certain skin color, you are of a certain race. If you are white, but have a recessive black gene, that STILL MEANS that you are part european. It doesn't matter what is recessive and what's dominant, if you are of a certain color, you are of a certain race. OBVIOUSLY this isn't taking into account albinos or those with pigmentation disorders.

Recap: If you display a trait, you still bear it, meaning you are that trait that is dominant, and whatever the hell is recessive doesn't matter.[/B]

o so very true, but you can be multiple races

[Osmose]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX

but at that point you'd be an argument should just end

Please rephrase that to make sense.

I wasn't arguing/debating over whether or not America is, in my opinion, the best country. I was debating over the REASON I think it is. Slight difference there.[/B]

"but at that point an argument should just end". Corrected.

I was arguing over the same thing - your opinion is that America is the best country because it's got freedom of speech, among several other reasons, I assume, and I was arguing that it is a horrible reason because a large number of countries have that same freedom and aren't, as you said, strictly headed regimes that disallow the use of it even if in principle they give it to the people.

[coasterkrazy]

I was starting to think I was going crazy...

Really though, ZKX articulated that well. Spike, you posted your pic in the picture thread, and you didn't really look black to me... more like what you said, caucasian, which is, as ZKX said, white. It was just a darker tone, like my friend from South America. So I guess from this examination, you're right on some level about skin color, because there can be variations within a certain race (for example, mediterranean olive still being considered white), but skin color is a general main component of race, regardless of what about said about "generalizations." Without generalizations, there wouldn't be any specifics. Caucasian is a specific.

EDIT: Just saw your newest post. Explain what you mean.

EDIT 2: No, wait, you're right in a sense. Like a person whose parents are different races. In that case, you have to pick one box when stating your race, as I've heard from someone who was spanish and black and was going to fill in both.

[ZeroKirbyX]

Originally posted by Osmose

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX

but at that point you'd be an argument should just end

Please rephrase that to make sense.

I wasn't arguing/debating over whether or not America is, in my opinion, the best country. I was debating over the REASON I think it is. Slight difference there.[/B]

"but at that point an argument should just end". Corrected.

I was arguing over the same thing - your opinion is that America is the best country because it's got freedom of speech, among several other reasons, I assume, and I was arguing that it is a horrible reason because a large number of countries have that same freedom and aren't, as you said, strictly headed regimes that disallow the use of it even if in principle they give it to the people.[/B]

Ahhh, thanks fer clearin it up. I never said that there weren't other countries in the world that had the same freedoms. I said that there are just as many countries out there that DON'T have that freedom that other countries do, and saying that my reason is invalid because there are other free countries is a horrible reason because there are just as many non-free countries.

o so very true, but you can be multiple races

Which isn't the point at all. The point is that if you display a skin color, you are at least SOME PART of the race that is identified by that color. I'd already said this. The argument is over if you're black whether or not you're part african, which is true, not over what kind of hodgepodge you are.

[coasterkrazy]

Here we go. U.S. Race and Ethnic Data Reporting Form.
http://www.hudclips.org/sub_nonhud/cgi/pdfforms/27061.pdf

If that doesn't say anything, I don't know what will.

This has been a really long sub-topic...

[Spike21]

ZKX your 100% right

Originally posted by coasterkrazy
I was starting to think I was going crazy...

Really though, ZKX articulated that well. Spike, you posted your pic in the picture thread, and you didn't really look black to me... more like what you said, caucasian, which is, as ZKX said, white. It was just a darker tone, like my friend from South America. So I guess from this examination, you're right on some level about skin color, because there can be variations within a certain race (for example, mediterranean olive still being considered white), but skin color is a general main component of race, regardless of what about said about "generalizations." Without generalizations, there wouldn't be any specifics. Caucasian is a specific.

EDIT: Just saw your newest post. Explain what you mean.

EDIT 2: No, wait, you're right in a sense. Like a person whose parents are different races. In that case, you have to pick one box when stating your race, as I've heard from someone who was spanish and black and was going to fill in both.

On my sat i check of both black and white, both of my parents are diffrent races (white and black)