Charas 3.0

[Osmose]

We removed the request rule a long time ago, although I'm unsure if it's still listed in the rule topic (I know Sai at least edited the post to say that the rule was suspended).

[Cosmos]

What exactly is the point of making it harder for people to request things again..?

[Glitch]

Because it's fun.

I wasn't really suggesting we make it harder to make requests, I'm just suggesting we have a solution to the pattern I posted.

One thing that we should work on is the same questions being asked over and over again. The standard n00b questions that every day a few topics are made to ask. Is there something we can do to preempt that? And don't throw that "If we were good members you wouldn't mind answering questions" bull crap at us, you know full well it's annoying seeing the same 5 questions every day, It would benefit everyone if there was some way to inform people before they even ask the question, cause the current method of a red titled thread is clearly not working.

Oh, I also think it would be cool if Charas Mods had to renew their modship each year or something, like be re-elected. Instead of having to wait until they do something (i.e. Nuke Forum Gaming, Delete Topics arbitrarily). It would also cut down on special treatment, that way if someone got put into a job because of connections but the entire forum hated them/thought they weren't doing a good job they wouldn't get to rule however they wanted. (No that was not a shot at Osmose or Mid, just an example of what could happen).

Granted the Re-election thing could be abused by people voting someone out just cause they don't like him and voting someone in cause they do, so you would have to have safeguards, like Admin approved candidates or something, and Mods and Admins having higher weighted votes cause they've seen the candidate behind the scenes. Just an idea.

[Daetyrnis]

Originally posted by Glitch
One thing that we should work on is the same questions being asked over and over again. The standard n00b questions that every day a few topics are made to ask. Is there something we can do to preempt that?

We need an easily accessable and easy-to-read database of tutorials.  Especially ones that handle things such as importing graphics and such.

[Bluhman]

Yeah. We should also have a thread which links to useful resource sources, like PhanxGames, or GGZ, or GamingW. Or we could just have a notice for them to check the Complete Resources area before they request. That can help as well.

[MrMister]

Originally posted by Glitch
Oh, I also think it would be cool if Charas Mods had to renew their modship each year or something, like be re-elected. Instead of having to wait until they do something (i.e. Nuke Forum Gaming, Delete Topics arbitrarily). It would also cut down on special treatment, that way if someone got put into a job because of connections but the entire forum hated them/thought they weren't doing a good job they wouldn't get to rule however they wanted. (No that was not a shot at Osmose or Mid, just an example of what could happen).

A moderator's job is stressful enough.
I'm not saying this because I'm afraid to lose any power, but that's a funking ridiculous idea. And it make the management out to look like a bunch of inept baboons.

[Osmose]

Preliminary Addition List

-Spoiler Tags
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
-Disable post counts
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-Veteran user level awarded to donators
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBCode
Addition: - Post Preview Option

Alternatives about the requests forum were not added because so far everyone has a different idea and no one has really agreed on anything, although adding rules at signup with an emphasis on non-obvious stuff (IE in big letters at the top) seems to be the best alternative to me. If we can all agree it'll be added to the list.

And mods aren't elected. That's just not how it works, although if enough people REALLY want it, I can't plausibly deny its addition outright, although I'm fairly sure very few people would actually go for it.

Either way, you've got until Sunday afternoon/evening or, at the most, Monday to either show support for one thing or ask that another be removed.

I myself am against disabling post counts and giving Veteran benefits (Not a final name, obviously) to people who have not donated. I am supportive of everything else, including Veteran benefits for people who donate.

[ZeroKirbyX]

-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-[STRIKE]Veteran[/STRIKE]Donator user level awarded to donators
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBCode

Took out what I disagree with, changed what I thought should be.

[Daetyrnis]

Again, how 'bout a button that previews your post.  That way you don't have to go back and edit your post in case you make a mistake with BBCode or spelling.

And, again with the bandwagon (but with strikethrough and bolding)

-Spoiler Tags
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
[STRIKE]-Disable post counts[/STRIKE]
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-Veteran user level awarded to donators
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBCode
-Preview option for posting

[A Forgotten Legend]

post counts are fine.  i mean, i like knowing how many times i've posted in the Forum gaming and my real posts

[Ben]

DONT DISABLE POST COUNTS.

[MrMister]

Originally posted by ZeroKirbyX
-Profile Option (For Hire) and page that displays all users for hire.
-Merchandise
-Bigger Avatars
-New Banner
-Veteran user level awarded to good members - benefits
-[STRIKE]Veteran[/STRIKE]Donator user level awarded to donators
-Fool user level given to bad members - limits
-Global Mods have power to ban accounts (Or SiteMod level above Global Mod that has this power).
-Head Admin has power to ban IPs
-Temporary Ban ability (Set time for ban).
-Complete resources ranks (Most viewed, highest rank, etc)
-User groups. Used to give access to certain forums to certain people as well as other powers, IE: A group that can post to the front page news (For users who run contests but aren't mods), or a group that has access to the private forum but has no mod duties. Etc. Etc.
-Filter changes swear words to alternate words instead of *s.
-Option to turn filter off for self.
-Lowercase BBCode

Took out what I disagree with, changed what I thought should be.

I agree with this.
Disabling post counts is pointless. Sure, some people view it as some status symbol, or edick, but **** em.
Most of that info underneath your name shouldn't be there.
When I see a post I'd rather just see their avatar, custom title, register date, and time of post. The rest should just be in the profile.

And Charas isn't a korean MMO, we don't need special privileges for donators.
Premium items are dick.

Uhm.. No one has the cognitive capacity to organize a Charas Store, and no one will buy anything. It will cost SOMEONE a lot of money, and make almost nothing.
Make your own sweaters. It's not like you'll wear em outside.

lateniteedit: This is a fuckin worthless proposal. Alex won't go through with it, you'll lose interest, none of these ideas are good, you're a fuckin tool. Charas isn't yours, and what you're proposing isn't even Charas. VahnGrave(I think) said "If I donate $500 to charas then that's my business. I don't expect to get anything in return because it's a DONATION. Otherwise that means I've boutght your respect."

Shut up Osmose.

[Trevlac]

I remember when VahnGrave said that.

Osmose, I knew that one day you'd try to pull a Bill Gates, but I never knew you'd manipulate Saikar and the members of charas to do it. I guess some people change for the worse. Or maybe you were always like this and you just hid it. You have the personality of a manipulative megalomaniac who regularly practices ego masturbation.

Everything in this proposal is completely pointless for charas and designed only to achieve power for yourself. I've always been an outright person so there's really no reason to make my accusations subtle.

Supporting Charas 3.0 is equivalent to supporting Windows ME.

What a thinly veiled attempt this was, Osmose. Or should I say mein fuhrer.

[Bluhman]

Originally posted by Trevlac

..Everything in this proposal is completely pointless for charas..

... How is a complete resource viewer that allows you to see what resources were viewed the most and rated the highest not beneficial to charas and completely and utterly for the power of Osmose? The only really dumb thing he has in his list of prepositions, and the only thing that you guys might be right about, is the whole donations thing I support the whole idea about Veteran rewards, but nothing special to donators. Other than the whole involvement of money and special privileges for those who donate, this is a very good idea, if I'd say so.

But if you guys are really right, then Alex will turn down the offer and charas will remain the way it's been.

EDIT: Hey, somebody added a 'moved' feature to threads. That's cool.

[Osmose]

I'm glad that you didn't choose to bring this up after the proposal was shown to Alex, as that wouldn't have been very conducive to him accepting it. Although your timing is UTTERLY HORRIBLE ANYWAY.

If I was trying to make Charas into my own site, there's a million other ways to do it easier, most obviously simply focusing my attention on becoming the only Head Admin if possible and then forcing my changes from that position. As it is, I've got a proposal that's trying to get a community consensus - people are allowed to put their own opinion into this and strike down anything I put in simply by saying so. Furthermore, if I am given admin status I'm not going to accept it unless Razor receives it too. In the case that the proposal is rejected, having a single admin with ban powers makes no sense compared to having two people who can make the call and help safeguard the forums.

If I was trying to manipulate Charas, I wouldn't be giving them an open door to change the proposal to whatever they want it to be. I'd be telling them the improvements I have in mind and then implementing them immediately, trying to put them forth as all 100% good. Not to mention that accusing me of manipulating Sai'Kar is accusing Sai'Kar of being a controllable idiot with little to no opinion of his own.

MrMister, you simply threw all the stuff you've said before, and I've already explained why I disagree with you - I don't think we should continue blindly sticking to old traditions.

Trevlac, however, has come out of the blue. Well, okay, not totally out of the blue - you've done similar stuff before. Some times you're a generally likeable guy, a great artists, and a decent game maker. Other times, however, you're a pompous self-proclaimed hacker. You claim that you can hack the site (And in effect try to spread fear to others about how Charas is so easily hacked and how unsecure we are), but when Alex asks you to show him so that he may fix the vulnerability, you refuse to because you, apparently, think he's trying to call you out or something. If you really can hack Charas, there's no reason not to help Alex fix whatever's letting you do this, unless you just hate Charas or something.

Also, I'd love to hear how everything in this proposal is designed to give me more power. How allowing others to upload their games and have other users rate them on site through a site system rather than via forum posts gives me more power. How Looking at a new image format that could help improve the generators gives me more power. How adding different color themes to the site gives me more power.

From what I see of your post, you're trying to troll me into doing something stupid like saying, "**** YOU, I'LL BAN YOU AS SOON AS I'M ADMIN." And you've succeeded in that I posted a response, but really? I don't care. Although some people may be moved by your eloquence and join you in hating me and the proposal, I'd bet that most people will realize that no, this is an attempt to improve the site, not some egotistical grab for power.